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644 swingarm bearings, another way
Topic Started: Mar 15 2012, 08:29 PM (7,062 Views)
Rob 110
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sorry no pics, but info if your swinger bearings are loose:

the standard 0-rings and 20mm wide needle rollers don't last long as they seal poorly, take on water and wear out, plus are quite expensive

i replaced mine with phos-bronze Oilite bushes for about £5 pair

simplybearings.co.uk
They are self lubricating and corrosion resistant and therefore low maintenance.

1 pair: AM2026-20 Oilite Plain Bush 20x26x20mm
1 pair: AM2026-15 Oilite Plain Bush 20x26x15mm

lose the 0-rings and fit both so 35mm width

easily fitted with a large vice or large bolt/washers/nuts to wind them in

been in my R30 a couple of years, +6k miles no probs

hth
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DIRTY R30 644 '03 TPS done, gubbins gone, GSXR can, 150 main, 27.5 pilot, needle 2nd position, K&N no lid
FILTHY 404DS '04: 152 main, 70 pilot air jet, 38 pilot, emm needle 4th clip, Quill T3. Sold :(
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madasabicycle
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:P

Mine are ordered!
£17.35 for the 4 delivered.
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R30Paul
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So thats it... :chin:

Just 2 lots of Oilite bushes per side in the swinger,
Why no O rings, not enough room?
Do you still use the Journals or do the Oilite ID match the Spindle OD?
Any reason why you didn't use top hat / flange bushes for the inside pair? is there no gap to make up?

Interesting...
Nice, neat, cheap and low maintenance idea...

From the Haines site, there are 2 lost of journal available... £18.36 ea...
- 41mm for Rotax and 644 up to '04...
- 38mm for 644 '04 onwards...

Post how you go madasabicycle,
what years are ya bike? - and does that fit in with Haynes' blurb...
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Rob 110
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no room for 0-rings and no room for mud/crud, unlike needle rollers
the 0-rings just don't seal the needle rollers

you use the standard journals, otherwise the bushes would be acting on the spindle, so increased wear (i did try it on the 404 but didn't last long)
the journal is effectively a moving part so wear is eliminated

don't use flange ones as the journal and nylon washer take up the space

all bikes used to be made like this ;)
unfortuanately ccm used needle rollers without an efficient way of keeping moisture/crud out :rolleyes:
thats why Japs use needle rollers with a grease nipple and proper oil seal, which works :)
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DIRTY R30 644 '03 TPS done, gubbins gone, GSXR can, 150 main, 27.5 pilot, needle 2nd position, K&N no lid
FILTHY 404DS '04: 152 main, 70 pilot air jet, 38 pilot, emm needle 4th clip, Quill T3. Sold :(
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madasabicycle
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I'll let you know how it goes!
I'l take some pictures and add them here.
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did this recently when i changed to my DS swingarm and works a treat, shame your original write up is gone rob. i wonder if LB managed to get it though?
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Rob 110
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dunno where the pics went, not on my photobucket and kind find em on PC :(
on the old site its not accessible as it was in the 'memebers only' section and as we can't log in :angry:
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DIRTY R30 644 '03 TPS done, gubbins gone, GSXR can, 150 main, 27.5 pilot, needle 2nd position, K&N no lid
FILTHY 404DS '04: 152 main, 70 pilot air jet, 38 pilot, emm needle 4th clip, Quill T3. Sold :(
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Monty
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I have it, but in adobe, so cant upload, can email it to who ever needs it, just send me your email address
If it aint sharp I can play with it
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madasabicycle
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As promised pictures to go with Rob's write up.
Thanks to Rob for the hints, and also to Lazybones for the design of the bearing removal tool - it was like shelling peas.

First I left the Oilite bushes in the freezer until I had time to do the job

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How it looked before

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Old Bearing

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Standard Journals and O Rings

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Bearing Removal tool

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Just apply a spanner and out it comes

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Bearing Gone

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Use the same tool to put the bushes in

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Bushes in place

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Job done

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Rob 110
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B)
the old bushwhacker tool makes it simples, good for 4x4 bushes too ;)
they better last now i recommended Oilites :D
PS my R30 went straight thru MOT 2 weeks ago with em :)
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DIRTY R30 644 '03 TPS done, gubbins gone, GSXR can, 150 main, 27.5 pilot, needle 2nd position, K&N no lid
FILTHY 404DS '04: 152 main, 70 pilot air jet, 38 pilot, emm needle 4th clip, Quill T3. Sold :(
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madasabicycle
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Off for a test ride now - so if you never hear from me again it's all Rob's Fault!!!!
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Rob 110
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Rob who?
never heard of him ;)
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DIRTY R30 644 '03 TPS done, gubbins gone, GSXR can, 150 main, 27.5 pilot, needle 2nd position, K&N no lid
FILTHY 404DS '04: 152 main, 70 pilot air jet, 38 pilot, emm needle 4th clip, Quill T3. Sold :(
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Monty
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Just ordered mine, as bike having major overhaul, and noticed a fair bit of play in the rear end

£17.35 from simply bearings.

Not sure where my mate looked for his after givinfg him the part numbers, quoted £18 each, recon he looked on the haines site

Yep just looked and £18 each for the long ones
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Monty
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Just fitted mine, but the top hat wont go in, so will have to run a reamer through, 0.25mm too small.
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Rob 110
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0.25mm is quite alot :chin:
not doubting your engineering skills Monty, but has the journal got a burr on it, or corrosion making it tad bigger?
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DIRTY R30 644 '03 TPS done, gubbins gone, GSXR can, 150 main, 27.5 pilot, needle 2nd position, K&N no lid
FILTHY 404DS '04: 152 main, 70 pilot air jet, 38 pilot, emm needle 4th clip, Quill T3. Sold :(
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Monty
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They were tight being pressed in so will compress, ran a hand reamer through last night and the top hats push in nice now.

Dont forget this is a CCM and everything is different from bike to bike

Plus its a 02 tractor, so may be different tolerences from the suzy,

Tried the tophats and bushes before being fitted and all fine, so just a small bit of compression

Anyway all done now, will refit later.
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Rob 110
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thats quite alot of compression on the oilite bushes, did you squeeze all the oil out? :D
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DIRTY R30 644 '03 TPS done, gubbins gone, GSXR can, 150 main, 27.5 pilot, needle 2nd position, K&N no lid
FILTHY 404DS '04: 152 main, 70 pilot air jet, 38 pilot, emm needle 4th clip, Quill T3. Sold :(
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Monty
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Yep, just like getting blood out of a stone :D

Swinger must have grown whilst out, would not fit back between the frame, had to file a small shamfer and beat with a big stick(read hyde hammer)

Still got new chain and slipper guides, all nicely polished, shame to take it puddle hunting on saturday
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Nice one lads,I'll be doing this myself :dirtbike: and your not the only one Monty,I always find it hard work refitting the swinger and when it finally drops in I haven't a clue how it did it...bit like taking the engine in and out, though I've mastered that black art at last...so hopefully one day I might see what the swingers up to when it decides to play ball
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any one know the number of the standard needle rollers ? i have acquired a load and not sure if they are the same as the standard ones.
hk2030 is the number on the bearing
and the other packet is hk2020 . they may even be wheel bearings for all i know lol
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