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| What's the most bone headed part on your CCM?; Shoddy CCM craftsmanship... | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 11 2015, 10:53 PM (1,221 Views) | |
| Dino de Laurentiis | Jan 11 2015, 10:53 PM Post #1 |
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So, I've had my bike apart a few times, and there's definitely a certain "charm" to a CCM (mine is a 2003 R30). Some of it are weird design choices, like using MX suspension with very long fork tubes on a SuperMoto, or the bits and pieces from various parts bins, like the rear light that's off the older Ducati Monsters. Then there's the shoddy craftsmanship parts, like the poor CCM-specific parts of the electrical wiring, or the cheap corroding bolts used in exposed places etc. What really bugs me the most though are things that REALLY should've been possible to avoid: 1. The placement of the ignition relay, which is positioned behind a plastic cover on the right hand side of the airbox. However, it's not at ALL enclosed from behind, so spray from the back wheel can hit the relay almost straight on, sometimes shorting the relay, meaning it's impossible to switch the ignition, unless you disconnect the battery cords. Since the moisture get trapped between the relay and it's socket, it usually take days before it dries up, if you don't know what the problem is (I only recently found out). 2. This is really the NUMBER ONE bone headed design part on my bike, the airbox and the rubber boot between the carburetors and the airbox. Seriously, I don't know how much time I've spent trying to get them on properly. Like, last time I had the engine apart to check the head, I think I spent almost as much time getting that [expletive removed] rubber boot on properly as I did on the entire head assembly, and I STILL didn't get the boot fixed properly to the left side carburetor. It's not that they're too narrow, it's just that the boot is too SHORT to reach all the way from the airbox to the carburetors. It must have been possible to create something more intelligent than that clusterfuck of a solution. 3. ... I'm sure you all have some other aspect of the bike that bothers you. Please add to the list! Edited by Dino de Laurentiis, Jan 11 2015, 10:55 PM.
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| ian6pot | Jan 11 2015, 11:46 PM Post #2 |
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Cant think of anything on the Rotax other than the loom and to be fair that's usually from previous owners abuse. The Rotax may have been better thought out than the Suzuki. |
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| stevenfuture | Jan 11 2015, 11:54 PM Post #3 |
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And you have the Mk3 new & improved Suzuki model, welcome to the good parts put together by monkeys world of CCM, wait until have a look at the electrics then you will cost cutting & a "that will do" attitude....... but we like to call it "character" "charm" or in fact a British Bike, as it was decades ago CCM lived up to the low standard of workmanship British bikes were famous for, that "let the customer finish it off themselves" But when you do...its your Bike it works the way you want it to, always needs a little something, always will. |
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| jonny h | Jan 12 2015, 12:10 AM Post #4 |
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this is how i roll!
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a supermoto is meant to have MX suspension!!! .. but seeing as you bring it up, the anything after 1999 and the blue steel Paioli's has shorter travel. it's only recent that supermoto's have had their own suspension made with slightly shorter forks, but those are supermoto specific, made to enter racing if they so wish. not a tiny company who's main range is a duel sport. the wiring .. sent out to the lowest bidder .. enough said. never had a problem with the relay, if you have .. maybe invest in some ACF-50 and that'll sort it out. do you have a rear hugger or at least the mudflap? air box rubber .. is piss easy, keep on with it and eventually you will calm down enough to figure out how easy it is to install, if you want to try a really hard carb/rubber set up, go and remove a set from a MZ bagihra the only real downfall i saw on the suzuki'd R30 was the seat, and where they had gone from a lovely metal bracket to fix the rear on, to the plastic one which always fails. |
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| Gonzo250 | Jan 12 2015, 06:38 AM Post #5 |
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So far, my main gripe is the speedo drive and front spindle setup in its entirety. The drive refuses to sit dead square regardless of which angle you turn it to, the spacers include thick washers instead of a properly thought out setup, and the spindle doesn't want to pull through far enough, leaving a bit hanging out one side. Oh, and the side stand is a bit of a joke. I really must see if steve604 has still got his for sale... |
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I drink too much, I swear too much, I ride too fast and I crash too often. It is a universal impossibility for me to leave my tools alone and my bikes standard. 'It must go faster!!' | |
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| Monty | Jan 12 2015, 07:54 AM Post #6 |
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Charlie Big Banana's
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Unfortunately the air box boot shrinks with age, when new it fits a treat and is easy to replace, The concept of a supermoto is a converted crosser hence offroad suspension |
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| Pa644 | Jan 12 2015, 11:15 AM Post #7 |
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The side stand (as mentioned) .... and the fuse box cover that can only be removed when the saddle is taken off and the wiring loom lifted. But I only ever expoected that the wiring (and the side stand) on this sort of bikeŽd be little more than an afterthought. |
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| Dino de Laurentiis | Jan 12 2015, 01:14 PM Post #8 |
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There really isn't that much of a difference between an MX and a SM fork, mainly different valving and shorter/stiffer springs. One can order the suspension with the different internals straight from WP, there's no difference in price for the SM or MX variety, as far as I know. The R30 is really a tarmac only machine, and would've benefited quite a bit from stiffer and lowered suspension. I really don't think the fact that CCM is a small factory would make much of difference for the bottom line, if the unit price is the same. Also, they apparently got one off rear shocks for the 644-models, only to be found on CCM bikes, according to another thread on this board. |
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| Dino de Laurentiis | Jan 12 2015, 01:16 PM Post #9 |
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Yeah, it's just weird that it only seems to have shrunk longitudinally. The diameter of the openings is still large enough fit fine around the carburetors when they're loose, and it's still quite soft and pliable too, but when in place on the bike it lacks as much as a centimeter in length to reach all the way forward. Edited by Dino de Laurentiis, Jan 12 2015, 01:18 PM.
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| Gonzo250 | Jan 12 2015, 02:31 PM Post #10 |
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Working-class moto psycho
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You could always ditch the airbox and run an open K&N like wirral121 has done on his cafe racer project? |
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I drink too much, I swear too much, I ride too fast and I crash too often. It is a universal impossibility for me to leave my tools alone and my bikes standard. 'It must go faster!!' | |
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| jonny h | Jan 12 2015, 05:20 PM Post #11 |
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this is how i roll!
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i'm guessing .. due to dates of KTM bikes and past knowledge of CCM, that they brought end of line WP suspension, the fact that i think all KTM's after 2002 (maybe 2000) came with 48mm forks, the forks are more than tuneable enough for everday riders, and have you dropped the forks 12mm in the yokes, that tightens the front end up too. the rear shock started it's life on the 604 and carried on to the 644, it's only the bottom eyelet the differs from the KTM it was from, not the whole shock |
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| ian6pot | Jan 12 2015, 05:51 PM Post #12 |
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I thought the 604 and 644 rear shock were NOT interchangeable. |
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| Monty | Jan 12 2015, 06:39 PM Post #13 |
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I don't think they are, tho one may fit the other, which way I don't know |
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| ian6pot | Jan 13 2015, 03:18 PM Post #14 |
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Just thought of a stupid fault that must be a design issue. I had forgot that the genuine CCM left hand switch gear earths the horn through the bars but the later original fat bars have a silver coating that insulates them so the horn is shite. |
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| R30Paul | Jan 13 2015, 08:55 PM Post #15 |
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Air box / Carb manifold... remove ally ring from manifold from inside air box... push manifold in to air box, more room to remove carbs... replace with a nice smear of grease to get a good seal... |
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| R30matt | Jan 17 2015, 12:20 PM Post #16 |
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God is going to sit this one out.
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I don't really have any issues with any of my bikes that bother me to that point, some things might be a fuss but when I think about it, I would have done exactly the same if I was putting the bike together. Once setup and sorted riding is a real hassle free treat. I put 9k one year on my 05 R30 only times stuck at roadside due to running out of juice. Yes electrics not great but I've come across them on many other vehicles, the manifold can be a fiddle but doubt removal was a consideration when it was put together. Is the side stand crap? If your tall enough to throw your leg over the bike without pushing all your and the bikes weight against that poor little side stand I think its fit for purpose of supporting the bike. I'd stay the weak side stand is my issue not the bikes. I can't knock who ever put my R30 together in the factory its genius. As for the DS 644 thats far from how it left the factory and most likely been interfered with more times than (I'll stop before I offend someone) but I've had a good couple of years throwing it at the best Welsh scenery and never let me down, other than very minor issues that had suffered some of my own interfering. |
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| Dino de Laurentiis | Jan 25 2015, 05:00 PM Post #17 |
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Yep, that's what I'm planning to do as well, but I'll go with some silicone rubber instead of grease, for sealing. Should be good enough, and seems like a fitting solution for a CCM :D |
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| leomn | Jan 26 2015, 02:51 PM Post #18 |
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Rear subframe on 404 held together by rusting non locking nuts'n'bolts. All now replaced. Best thing is when on the interweb and there's a fault you get taken to page 404!!! |
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