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| Sprocket size calculator; Counting teef innit! | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 2 2015, 10:52 PM (984 Views) | |
| Gonzo250 | Jan 2 2015, 10:52 PM Post #1 |
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Working-class moto psycho
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This May or may not be of use to you folks, but I found it handy when I ordered me new chain and sprockets earlier: http://www.sprocketcalculator.com Helps when ordering different sized sprockets to work out roughly how much top end you'll lose or gain and roughly what length chain you'll want. Was useful for me as my current gearing is 17/41 and I couldn't get the same rear sprocket from Haines, so I was able to work out a setup that was close, but gave me slightly more top end as even with the standard ignition map, I had nearly run out of revs in top when holding her wide open. |
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I drink too much, I swear too much, I ride too fast and I crash too often. It is a universal impossibility for me to leave my tools alone and my bikes standard. 'It must go faster!!' | |
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| jonny h | Jan 3 2015, 01:38 AM Post #2 |
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this is how i roll!
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i'm only saying .. but sometimes you need to go straight to the manufacture if your local cant supply , and that would be Talon .. who are british .. so you're still supporting a local business |
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| Rob 110 | Jan 3 2015, 08:39 AM Post #3 |
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This is good as it has bike gearing loaded. Look at Suzi for Freewind-Dr650 & drz400e. Think Rotax is there under Atk or summat. Variables allow for tyre size changes too - www.gearingcommander.com |
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| border604 | Jan 4 2015, 11:11 PM Post #4 |
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I may be wrong but I was taught (and always have) you should always have odd/even teeth numbers front and rear. eg: 17 front should be 38 or 40 or 42 rear. Anyone else work with this 'rule' or am I talking bollocks! |
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| Monty | Jan 5 2015, 07:20 AM Post #5 |
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Charlie Big Banana's
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That's a new one on me, I cant see the logic either, std suzy gearing 15/43 rotax 17/43 |
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| border604 | Jan 5 2015, 03:32 PM Post #6 |
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...to help you decide what is the best way to go, read this below and make you own choice however one thing that comes out blindingly obvious is that running uneven or odd numbers on your front and rear sprockets will significantly increase your chain life. Read on!! 14-Tooth vs. 15-Tooth Front Sprocket Wear For (say) a 96-link chain ... A 15-tooth front sprocket will contact the same chain link every 32 revolutions. 15 x 32 = 480 links ÷96 = every 5 chain revolutions. A 14-tooth front sprocket will contact the same chain link every 48 revolutions. 14 x 48 = 672 ÷96 = every 7 chain revolutions. With the same rear sprocket and at the same road speed, the 14-tooth sprocket and the 15-tooth sprocket both contact the same number of chain links per unit time. So for example, for every 35 chain revolutions, the 15 tooth sprocket contacts the same link 7 times and the 14-tooth sprocket contacts the same link 5 times. If we assume that there is a defect on one of the front sprocket teeth (or a particular chain link) that can cause abnormal wear to the same chain link (or sprocket tooth) when contacted over and over again, the 14-tooth sprocket would actually result in (7-5)/7 = 29% LESS defect-related wear than a 15-tooth sprocket. However, for the same 35 chain revolutions, the 15-tooth sprocket rotates 224 times and the 14-tooth sprocket rotates 240 times so the 14 tooth sprocket (and the chain) would see (240-224)/240 = 7% MORE continuous wear than a 15-tooth sprocket. Odd vs. Even Sprocket Teeth Wear Pattern For reduced wear to the sides of the sprocket teeth, it’s better to run odd-numbered tooth sprockets, front and rear. Here’s why. A chain alternates its links inside-outside such that side-to-side chain positioning is controlled by contact between a sprocket's teeth and the inside links. Because a chain always has an even number of links, each tooth on an even number-tooth sprocket will always contact either an inside link or an outside link. Each tooth on an odd number-tooth sprocket will alternate between inside and outside links that gives a uniform wear pattern to the sides of the sprocket. Of course, this really isn't a significant problem with steel sprockets, so Ducati uses a 14-tooth front sprocket on some models. Even-tooth rear sprockets are standard on a number of models. However, if you intend to replace your sprockets with aluminum which is a lighter, but softer material, accelerated sprocket wear will be a consideration. But who cares? A little wear on the sides of a sprocket doesn't significantly affect chain engagement. ================================================== Wear to the face of the tooth is the reason for using a hunting tooth when meshing two gears. When you have a chain-driven sprocket instead of gear-to-gear contact, the wear issue becomes avoiding the same teeth on the sprockets repeatedly meshing with the same links on the chain. How often the same tooth meshes with the same link can be calculated by comparing the number of teeth on each sprocket to the number of links in the chain. The first step is to factor the number of teeth and links into prime numbers. Here’s some common results: Front Sprockets 14 tooth - factors: 7x2 15 tooth - factors: 5x3 Rear Sprockets 36 tooth - factors: 3x3x2x2 37 tooth - factors: 37 38 tooth - factors: 19x2 39 tooth - factors: 39 40 tooth - factors: 5x2x2x2 41 tooth - factors: 41 42 tooth - factors: 7x3x2 43 tooth - factors: 43 44 tooth - factors: 11x2x2 45 tooth - factors: 5x3x3 Chain Links 94 links - factors: 47x2 96 links - factors: 3x2x2x2x2x2 98 links - factors: 7x7x2 Two numbers are defined as relatively prime if they have no common factors. The front sprocket/chain combinations from above that are relatively prime are: 15 tooth front - 94 link chain, 98 link chain The sprocket and chain will meet at the same spot every 15 turns of the chain and 94 or 98 turns of the sprocket respectively. 14 Tooth front - none of the combinations are relatively prime. If the two numbers aren't relatively prime, then the number of turns will be divided by the common factors. For example: 14 tooth front - 94 link chain Here, 14 (7x2) and 94 (47x2) have the common factor of 2. Consequently, the sprocket and chain will meet at the same spot every 7 turns of the chain and 47 turns of the sprocket. 14 tooth front - 96 link chain Here, 14 (7x2) and 96 (48x2) have the common factor of 2. Consequently, the sprocket and chain will meet at the same spot every 7 turns of the chain and 3 turns of the sprocket. 14 tooth front - 98 link chain Here, 14 (7x2) and 98 (7x7x2) have the common factors of 2 and 7. Consequently, the sprocket and chain will meet at the same spot every turn of the chain and 7 turns of the sprocket. Not very good for wear. The rear sprocket/chain combinations are computed separately, the same way as for the front. Here’s the result for combinations that are commonly used: 36 tooth rear (18x2) - 94 link chain (47x2) Here, the common factor is 2. Consequently, the sprocket and chain will meet at the same spot every 18 turns of the chain and 47 turns of the sprocket. 38 tooth rear (19x2) - 94 link chain (47x2) Here, the common factor is 2. Consequently, the sprocket and chain will meet at the same spot every 19 turns of the chain and 47 turns of the sprocket. 38 tooth rear (19x2) - 96 link chain (48x2) Here, the common factor is 2. Consequently, the sprocket and chain will meet at the same spot every 19 turns of the chain and 48 turns of the sprocket. 40 tooth rear (5x2x2x2) - 96 link chain (12x2x2x2) Here, the common factor is 2x2x2. Consequently, the sprocket and chain will meet at the same spot every 5 turns of the chain and 12 turns of the sprocket. 42 tooth rear (21x2) - 96 link chain (48x2) Here, the common factor is 2. Consequently, the sprocket and chain will meet at the same spot every 21 turns of the chain and 48 turns of the sprocket. 42 tooth rear (21x2) - 98 link chain (49x2) Here, the common factor is 2. Consequently, the sprocket and chain will meet at the same spot every 21 turns of the chain and 49 turns of the sprocket. 44 tooth rear (22x2) - 98 link chain (49x2) Here, the common factor is 2. Consequently, the sprocket and chain will meet at the same spot every 22 turns of the chain and 49 turns of the sprocket. 45 tooth rear (5x3x3) - 98 link chain (49x2) No common factors. Consequently, the sprocket and chain will meet at the same spot every 98 turns of the chain and 45 turns of the sprocket. |
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| ian6pot | Jan 5 2015, 03:39 PM Post #7 |
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Um....i will read that again when I have had a lie down. |
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| border604 | Jan 5 2015, 04:52 PM Post #8 |
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To be honest I did copy & paste it!! |
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| jonny h | Jan 5 2015, 05:38 PM Post #9 |
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this is how i roll!
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the thing is .. all that info (if i read it right) , is talking about a chain wearing out due to contact wearing ... yes? .. our bikes wear chains through torque stretching, not through contact |
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| Rob 110 | Jan 5 2015, 08:45 PM Post #10 |
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God
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interesting and logical in an engineering theory sort of way and 7% more chain life is good but as jonny says there are too many other variables its like theoretical physics and applied physics: we know gravity exists and keeps us on the ground theoretically me being held down by gravity on this planet has a huge influence elsewhere in the solar system insert Chaos theory and some intelligent bloke in a wheelchair to explain me?....... I just ride baby a simpler way would also be to say use the largest sized front sprocket you can fit and adjust the rear to suit, as a 16 front will always work 1/16th less than a 15.
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CLICK HERE TO DONATE TO THE FORUM DIRTY R30 644 '03 TPS done, gubbins gone, GSXR can, 150 main, 27.5 pilot, needle 2nd position, K&N no lid FILTHY 404DS '04: 152 main, 70 pilot air jet, 38 pilot, emm needle 4th clip, Quill T3. Sold :( HUSKY FE501 missile
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